tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-626361365897531793.post1934711995526429204..comments2024-03-28T20:22:01.063-07:00Comments on Ms. Katie's Ramblings: Do Parents Know What They Are Choosing With "School Choice"?KatieOhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01072560661013528732noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-626361365897531793.post-69980216970468318262012-09-08T18:43:54.311-07:002012-09-08T18:43:54.311-07:00That quote was taken from the post I linked to abo...That quote was taken from the post I linked to above by Dr. Paul Thomas. Please take a moment to read his whole post in regards to the ways that KIPP and other "no excuses" charters offer a different type of education and discipline to low-income children of color, methods which affluent schools would likely reject. The slogans (like SLANT), discipline methods (Noble St's charging low-income families for infractions), the "badass teacher" reference, are all from actual first-hand reports and sources from charter school teachers and materials. <br /><br />I agree with Dr. Thomas. The "no excuses" methods are based on classist and racist assumptions on how certain kids should be treated. Creative, experiential-learning, critical thinking, debate, less rigid discipline practices for children of the elite, and strict, behaviorist, rote-memorization,"sit-up-straight, tuck-in-you-shirt" tough love for children from low-income backgrounds. Dr. Thomas writes, "...'No excuses" environments are predominantly about placing affluent and privileged people in positions of authority to deliver authoritarian training to students unlike them; in other words, 'no excuses' ideology is about isolating, controlling, and ultimately 'fixing' 'other people's children.'"<br /><br />What is interesting to me is how when parents, community groups, and students act outside the elites' plans--like the examples I mention above about very real examples of true community/parent empowerment, the elite get very nervous and immediately try to silence and stop the civil disobedience led by the people being oppressed. But the elite LOVE the KIPP-like "no excuses" charters. It's about power, control, and putting people in their place, not about educating America's children. (How you like THAT sound bite! I think I'll tweet that one...)KatieOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01072560661013528732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-626361365897531793.post-19651749879482197392012-09-08T16:06:02.330-07:002012-09-08T16:06:02.330-07:00I'm hoping I could get some specifics Katie-I&...I'm hoping I could get some specifics Katie-I'm not following your thoughts. Are you saying that networks like KIPP/Noble believe that their kids are all "bad?" If so, could you give some examples? And how do they perpetuate schools with "badass" teachers? <br /><br />You talk a lot Katie, but rarely provide evidence, context, or examples. I feel like you are as much a sound bite as those you often critique in your blog posts. Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08691911228399035716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-626361365897531793.post-19846540523235533412012-08-30T20:24:15.402-07:002012-08-30T20:24:15.402-07:00Here is a good summary of some of what irks me abo...Here is a good summary of some of what irks me about KIPP and other "no excuses" charters (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/30/1125810/--No-Excuses-and-the-Culture-of-Shame-Why-Metrics-Don-t-Matter ):<br /><br />"Democracy and equity cannot be built upon coercion and inequity.<br /><br />Racial and economic equity cannot be built on racist and classist policies.<br /><br />One America cannot be realized by perpetuating two Americas in our schools. <br /><br />One education system that assumes children to be "good" and offers them the freedom and culture of respect and dignity necessary to learn and another education system that assumes "other people's children" are "bad" and offers them "badass" teachers, a culture of shame, and a school environment that treasures quantitative data and silent and still students above anything else.<br /><br />No metrics can ever justify for me the indignity of "no excuses" practices. None.<br /><br />In order to have one America, the America of democracy and equity for all, we must have one education system of democracy and equity for all."<br /><br />And as I said above, I would never tell a parent what to do for their child. But I would have the conversations about how their neighborhood schools have been historically and purposefully disinvested in, and are currently being starved of resources and destabilized ON PURPOSE to further privatization and gentrification efforts. Perhaps they would join the fight-AS MANY PARENTS ACROSS THE CITY HAVE--to stop the cruel racist policies of CPS which give scare resources to charters while underresourcing neighborhood schools. Parents in Chicago have occupied their schools (Piccolo: http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=8549104 and Whittier http://progressillinois.com/quick-hits/content/2010/09/24/day-10-whittier-field-house-occupation), they have held hunger strikes demanding a new school in the neighborhood (http://www.teachersforjustice.org/2012/08/defend-chicagos-social-justice-high.html ) and now parents and community members are fighting the latest efforts to destabilize that amazing school. I would show them powerful community groups like KOCO (Kenwood-Oakland Community Organization http://www.kocoonline.org/ ) which fight the privatization and defunding as well as develops their own locally-created school improvement designs. <br /><br />There are ways for parents, teachers, and communities to fight back without accepting the militaristic, corporate "choice" being spoon-fed to all. I am proud to stand in solidarity with all the groups fighting for social justice in this city.KatieOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01072560661013528732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-626361365897531793.post-81837892235385389722012-08-19T20:22:43.371-07:002012-08-19T20:22:43.371-07:00I've followed a Twitter link to your blog, and...I've followed a Twitter link to your blog, and so glad I found it. This post and others you have are thoughtful, truthful, and illuminating. You bring a refreshing teacher point of view that is not heard enough in the edreform discussions. Thank you. TeachMoorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11010964521855355122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-626361365897531793.post-85186695516217434962012-08-16T04:33:03.695-07:002012-08-16T04:33:03.695-07:00Could you say a bit more about why you'd never...Could you say a bit more about why you'd never place your child in a KIPP or Noble? And would you make that recommendation to a parent in North Lawndale or Englewood or Austin? Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08691911228399035716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-626361365897531793.post-42750659925671557002012-08-13T17:07:50.856-07:002012-08-13T17:07:50.856-07:00I completely understand a parent wanting a safe en...I completely understand a parent wanting a safe environment for their kids. The safer, smaller-class environment is certainly what the charters are marketing. But I do not believe the realities inside the schools live up to that promise. A select few are providing better environments, but after speaking with many students in the charters and reading up on their practices, I do not believe most charters are providing a genuine alternative. The "zero tolerance" or "no excuses" policies alone make me cringe. I would not want my child to be treated like a prison inmate nor do I like some of the strict behaviorist types of school discipline. I want the same type of respect and autonomy I received in my school out in the suburbs. Also, many of my charter students report pretty bad behavior problems in their schools made worse by the inexperienced teaching force. Frankly, after learning about the charters, I can say that I would NEVER place my child in a KIPP or Noble St School. Never. I might, however, consider some of the smaller, non-chain charters like Polaris Charter. (It was created by a group of Golden Apple Teachers, caps class size at 20 kids, has an aide in every classroom, is well-resourced, and every teacher has at least 5 years experience. I visited once and liked a lot of what I saw.) <br /><br />But I agree with you about the often unsafe environments in our neighborhood schools. But let's be clear, the problems in our schools are not about the teachers or staff. Which makes the current "solutions" unacceptable. Turnarounds don't work and successful charters are very few and far between. We need to start with DEMANDING full and equitable funding for all schools. Regardless of whether a parent chooses to put his/her child in a charter, we all need to be a united front forcing our politicians to fund our schools--Especially in Illinois where we are DEAD LAST in state spending on schools. So disgusting. We need to demand early childhood interventions so minor learning or behavior problems do not balloon into something major in the upper grades. We need to demand enough counselors, social workers, small classes, books, and give schools the FREEDOM to be innovative to reach all children. If we, as citizens and stake-holders, don't get disruptive and loud, nothing will ever change. <br /><br />What I hope to avoid is seeing parents divided-vying for their own personal portion of the pie, but rather all stake-holders demanding in solidarity more pie for all!KatieOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01072560661013528732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-626361365897531793.post-77473903858200827012012-08-13T15:38:02.041-07:002012-08-13T15:38:02.041-07:00I know you probably know all of the reasons why a ...I know you probably know all of the reasons why a parent might choose a charter, but I thought it might be helpful to put the “uncertified teacher” thing in context as a lesser-of-evils choice that families are faced with when choosing a school.<br /><br />I am both a parent and a CPS teacher. As a parent, I see some big positives to charters, such as being able to choose a specialty school, having significantly smaller class sizes, and especially having better discipline among students. The better discipline thing is a major factor when some neighborhood schools are overrun with kids with behavior problems. When I look at my own little kids, both in preschool, and imagine sending them off to kindergarten, my fantasy does not include a metal detector, drug-sniffing dogs, or warnings about wearing gang colors. I’m a CPS teacher and am painfully aware that those things are a necessary reality at some schools. But as a parent, I just don’t want to send my children somewhere with those kinds of problems. <br /><br />That is where charters come to the rescue, promising the safety and discipline of a private school for the price of a public school. In considering a charter, I imagine that all of the other charter school children will have parents just like me, who take school seriously and have high expectations for their children’s learning and behavior. I like that idea. I know charters claim they don’t do this, but as a parent, I also like that chronically disruptive students will eventually be asked to leave. I don’t want my kids’ teachers to spend the whole day managing bad behavior.<br /><br />As a teacher, I hate what taking all the non-disruptive kids out of a school does to the neighborhood school. I know it’s not fair. But as a parent, how can one make any other choice? I know neighborhood schools’ hands are tied. They can’t get rid of kids with behavior problems, and CPS can’t afford to reduce class sizes or bring in more staff to provide social support. CPS also doesn’t have the best track record of getting special education services to kids in need, which makes the problem worse. <br />There are also cons to charters, like the uncertified teacher problem. I don’t want my kids taught by a TFA temp. I would rather they had a real teacher who has chosen to make a career of it. In fact I would be in favor of banning TFA from ALL schools in Chicago, since we are not experiencing a teacher shortage. I would also rather have my children taught by a teacher in a union. When I see the low salaries being offered by charters, it makes me wonder if they are really trying to recruit the best teachers, and not just the cheapest. <br /><br />But honestly, the certified teacher thing is less important to me than the safe-and-calm environment thing. If I think there are gaps in my children’s learning, I know I am capable of filling them in myself. What I can’t do is be at the school for 7 hours a day to protect my children from an unsafe, chaotic environment. I need to send them to a school I can trust.<br /><br />I hope this provides a little more insight into the options facing Chicago parents these days. Improving neighborhood schools to the point that they become the preferred choice will take a huge investment from CPS, but I don’t see that happening in the absence of better funding from the state.<br />F.M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14014658828729005145noreply@blogger.com